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Primo Levi, Unearthed Interview Shows Author's Intimate Struggles

In a never-before-published interview shortly before his suicide, the Jewish-Italian author opens up about his adolescent angst and traumas beyond Auschwitz.

Turin-born 20th century writer Primo Levi
Turin-born 20th century writer Primo Levi
Giovanni Tesio

TURIN — Primo Levi was a unique figure in 20th-century literature, an Italian-born Holocaust survivor, successful industrial chemist and a singularly limpid author of such works as If This Is A Manand The Periodic Table.

The following is an extract from Io che vi parlo ("I Who Speak to You"), a new book published in Italy that presents a lengthy conversation between Levi and Giovanni Tesio, an Italian linguist and literary critic.

The meeting took place over the course of three weeks in 1987: on Monday, Jan. 17; Monday, Jan. 26; and Sunday, Feb. 8. Just over two months later, Levi was found dead at the bottom of the interior stairwell of his apartment building, in an apparent suicide.

Here is an excerpt of the interview:

GIOVANNI TESIO: Let's briefly return to the topic of friendship. Did you feel a difference between male and female friendship?

PRIMO LEVI: Here you're hitting on a very sensitive subject, because I was very shy, pathologically shy, so I had female friends, but that's as far as it went. The transformation, the jumping over the barrier, for me arrived very late, after Auschwitz. It's a topic that I speak of with a certain embarrassment, a certain difficulty. The fact remains that I was inhibited, you can see that from the things that I wrote. I was deeply inhibited, also because of the racial campaigns, because that was a sharp break. Many girls, the good ones, no offense, distanced themselves, but I was interested in the very girls with whom I couldn't have relationships.

Pursuing those who rejected you?

Perhaps, but I leave that to others. The fact is that I had many female friendships, but none of them led to love.

Not even with your university classmate with whom — you made veiled references to this in The Periodic Table — you exchanged letters?

Not even with her. That is, yes. I was vaguely in love with her, but in an extremely chaste way.

And did you suffer from this?

Yes, I suffered terribly from it, I suffered frightfully because I saw all my friends who went through this experience, who had sexual experiences. I did not and I suffered horribly for this, to the point that I thought of suicide.

Maybe also because you had friends who boasted all too much about their conquests …

Certainly. Some went to the casino, they'd go with fake IDs. I would never have done something like that.

Any female friendships that lasted over the years?

Oh, many, yes, many. There was, for example, the one with the girl from "Phosphorus" in The Periodic Table. She's still my friend today. But there was a specific time, two or three years, during which many friendships fell apart.


For various reasons. To start with, for my own reasons, family problems, I don't get around much, and then … some die, some get sick, some lose interest in life … It's a chapter that's coming to an end.

Is this what it is to grow old?


To see the environment around one fall apart?

Yes, that is very painful, very painful and irreversible.

But overall, do you consider yourself a successful person?

Well! I consider myself someone who has fought many battles. Who has lost some and won others. I must have a certain inner strength, because I survived Auschwitz, that is a great battle. Also as a chemist I experienced failure, but I also won numerous times. Then, as a writer. I found myself becoming a writer almost in spite of myself, I opened up a new chapter. It came over me in small steps, first in Italy and then abroad, this wave of success that set me profoundly off balance, it put me in the position of someone I am not.

Is a writer's job the most burdensome?

The most burdensome?

Yes, that's the question.

In terms of the effects it has, without a doubt, yes. In terms of exertion and duration I'd say no, because I generally wrote my books gladly, easily, without feeling the weight of the task.

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Pasta v. Fascists: How Italy's Staple Dish Became A Symbol Of Resistance

Pasta may not be considered controversial today, but it played an important role during Italy's fascist years, particularly in one family's celebration of community and liberation.

Photo of the Cervi family.

Photo of the Cervi family, whose seven children were shot by the Fascists on December 28, 1943, at the Reggio Emilia shooting range.

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Jacopo Fontaneto

ROME — Eighty years ago — on July 25, 1943 — the vote of no confidence by the Grand Council of Fascism, leading to Benito Mussolini's arrest, set off widespread celebrations. In Campegine, a small village in the Emilian province, the Cervi family celebrated in their own way: they brought 380 kilograms of pasta in milk cans to the town square and offered it to all the inhabitants of the village.

The pasta was strictly plain: macaroni dressed with butter and cheese, seen as more of a "festive dish" in that period of deprivation. As soon as the Cervi brothers learned about the arrest of Mussolini, they procured flour, borrowed butter and cheese from the dairy, and prepared kilos and kilos of pasta. They then loaded it onto a cart to distribute it to their fellow villagers. Pastasciutta (dry pasta) specifically regards dishes with noodles that are plated "dry", not in broth. That would disqualify soup, risotto, ravioli...

Even though pastasciutta is the most stereotypical type of pasta today, it had a complicated relationship with the government during Italy's fascist years.

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