A 'Middle Way' With China? Interview With Prime Minister Of Tibetan Government-In-Exile

Tibetan Prime Minister In Exile Lobsang Sangay
Tibetan Prime Minister In Exile Lobsang Sangay
Saransh Sehgal*

DHARAMSALA — After the Dalai Lama relinquished political power in 2011, increasing attention has turned to the head of Tibet’s government-in-exile Prime Minister Lobsang Sangay, in the hope of breaking a decades-long standoff with Beijing.

And yet the situation remains grim, with some 120 Tibetans having set themselves ablaze over the past four years to protest China's policy in the Himalayan region. New Chinese President Xi Jinping has so far shown no signs of loosening Bejing's grip. Just this past Sunday, 60 Tibetan protesters were injured in clashes with Chinese police.

In an exclusive interview at the prime minister’s office in Dharamsala, India — the de facto capital of exiled Tibetans — Sangay, a 45-year-old Harvard-educated legal scholar and activist, talked about both Xi and the Dalai Lama, and responded to criticism from the exiled community that he has not been able to break the impasse in negotiations with Beijing.

Worldcrunch: Last month, you completed two years in office. How does it feel to be the prime minister of a non-established country?
LOBSANG SANGAY: We are not the first one in history nor are we likely to be the last. Many have succeeded and some have not. As far as Tibetans are concerned, inside Tibet, the spirit and solidarity is high, and we have to lend voice to their aspirations. It is an honor and privilege to represent and reflect their views.

At the same time, it is sad, in the sense that Tibet is going through a tragic time. During such time, determination, perseverance and resilience are called for. This is what we are trying to do.

Recently, members of the Task Force on Sino-Tibetan negotiations met in Dharamsala. Has something new come up in discussions that would break the impasse on negotiations with Chinese government?
Different strategies were discussed, but at the same time we believe any new leadership needs time to consult, as Xi Jinping has only been in power for the last seven months. By March 2014, he will have completed one year in office, and thereafter we have to see what his policies are towards the world in general, towards Asia, India and in particular Tibet. So it’s still a wait and watch.

Could you update us on the current human rights situation inside Tibet, especially at a time when over 100 Tibetans have self-immolated inside China? Are you getting any reports from Tibetans inside Tibet?
The situation inside Tibet is grim. Human Rights Watch (HRW) has come out with a report, and the U.S. government and various other governments have had a human rights dialogue. All have concluded that the human rights situation has gotten worse. There is a lack of religious freedom, where even photographs of His Holiness the Dalai Lama are discouraged. Even the natural resources and climate are exploited.

Thus culturally, politically and environmentally — all kinds of human rights violations are taking place inside Tibet.

There have been 120 self-immolations (103 of which were fatal) that reflect the pain Tibetans feel under the repression. They even lack freedom of speech and the freedom to protest, and they see no other options but to take such drastic action, which is in fact very sad.

Do you think there will be a solution to the Tibet issue within the lifetime of the current Dalai Lama? Is the Chinese government actually interested in resolving the Tibet issue?
Absolutely yes. Solving the issue of Tibet is in their best interest.

Given the rise of China — economically and politically — they have to earn respect from the international community. It would not serve them to let things continue like this — after the 1987–1989 Tibetan unrest, the events of 2008, and the situation now. The form of protest is getting worse because the situation is getting worse. And it doesn’t help anyone. We don’t want to see Tibetans die, and the Chinese government doesn’t want its image being affected negatively. The best solution is genuine autonomy for Tibet and respect for China.

How do you see the U.S. stance on Tibet? Do you expect more from the Obama administration?
The U.S. is one of the few countries that has openly spoken on the issue of Tibet. Recently, in the annual U.S.-China human rights dialogue that happened in the Yunnan province of China, the representative of the U.S. spoke about the deteriorating human rights situation inside Tibet and that there is a need for dialogue to solve the issue. And then President Obama (after meeting the Dalai Lama in 2011) also said he supports the middle-way approach and that only through dialogue can the issue of Tibet be solved.

We would appreciate it if more could be done, and if the U.S. could press the Chinese government to solve the issue of Tibet peacefully through dialogue.

What are your views on Nepal and its treatment of Tibetan refugees?
I was born in Darjeeling, in Northeastern India, and I have been to Nepal many times. I speak Nepali also, so I have some kind of affinity with the people of Nepal. And, there is a long history between Tibet and Nepal — they had friendly relations for hundreds of years. Culturally also, there is a lot of affinity. In fact, Nalanda-based Indian Buddhism spread to Tibet, and one of the main routes was Nepal.

Given all this history, the conditions of Tibetans in Nepal could be a lot better. The statement issued by the Nepal government, we understand on the one hand is because of pressure from the Chinese embassy. But on the other hand, Nepali people know the situation very well, so we think it’s natural that they should be helping in elevating the situation of Tibetans in Nepal.

What are your views on growing Nepal-China relations that pose difficulties for Tibetans and India?
As far as their relationship is concerned, that is for both Nepal and China to decide. But in no way should it affect the situation of Tibetans in Nepal, simply on humanitarian grounds. Tibetans should be looked after by the government of Nepal. For many years they have done so, but in recent years the situation is unfortunate.

There are often reports of Chinese phishing attempts via email attachments or hacking of exile websites? What are your views?
It happens on a daily basis. It is such a nuisance, but you have to live with it. They the Chinese try to extract our emails and follow us closely, so that is how they are penetrating. And obviously, we have to increase Internet security from our side and be careful. But that’s the way it is, it shouldn’t affect our day-to-day function. It’s just a daily nuisance we have to deal with.

Despite the change of leadership in Beijing this year, the new Chinese government shows no signs improvement on Tibet talks. Is that how you see it?
One should always be hopeful. Once they realize that the hardline policy is not working, they ought to change it. And only through dialogue with the envoys of His Holiness the Dalai Lama can they solve the issue of Tibet.

Your government seeks the middle way policy with the Chinese government. But with no dialogue with Beijing over the last three years, supporters of full independence are critical of your position. How do you respond to them?
Well, the Tibetan community is democratic. There is freedom of speech, and people can criticize. There are some policy issues where there are bounded differences, which is part of the process. Dialogue takes time.

Tibet is known to be the third pole. With recent climate changes in the plateau, what risk does the world face in view of Beijing’s continuous resource exploitation?
The melting of glaciers at such a fast pace is very disturbing. The rivers that originate from inside Tibet provide livelihood to millions of people downstream agriculturally. Some climatologists even say that the monsoon of Asia is affected by Tibet. Also the exploitation of natural resource by the Chinese is poisoning these rivers. Environmentally, Tibet is vital for Asia, and its future has a major impact in the region.

What are the difficulties the exile community is currency facing?
When you are in exile, obviously there are some inherent challenges about how to keep your identity alive, how to preserve culture, religion and tradition because that is the foundation of a community. On top of that, better education and quality of life are concerns, especially at a time when Tibetans are now scattered in over 40 countries. So keeping them coordinated, maintaining communication, affinity and solidarity across the exiled Tibetans — all these are challenges. But we are trying our best, and so far over the past 50 years, we are one of the better, if not the best, functioning exiled administrations and movements.

Recently, there were security alerts in the exile community of Dharamsala, in regard to security of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and others. Are you concerned?
We have read some reports, and it’s a matter of great concern that we have to be aware of. But we have always shared with the rest of the world the idea that Buddhism is a religion of non-violence. One of the major roles of His Holiness the Dalai Lama is promoting interfaith dialogue and religious harmony. And he is not just advocating it, but also practicing it by visiting various Hindu temples, churches and mosques. He is a living embodiment of religious harmony, and I really don’t see why there should be any threat to Tibetan Buddhist society.

Do you have any appeal to the international community?
Tibetans advocate non-violence and practice democracy. We have done this for many decades. Hence non-violence and democracy ought to be respected, including by the international community and world leaders.

Lastly, despite His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s relinquishing of political roles to you, do you ever seek his guidance on political matters? How do you see your relationship to him as his political successor?
He has 60-some years of experience. Seeking his advice and wisdom is just a wise thing to do. But he always says that I have to make the decision and I am directly accountable to the Tibetan people. He separates the constitutional amendment put in place and maintains the separation functionally as well.

He is the most revered leader of the Tibetans. He was my parents’ and grandparents’ spiritual guru and remains my spiritual guru. I have the highest respect and reverence for him.

*Saransh Sehgal is a Vienna-based freelance journalist and photographer

CLARIFICATION: An earlier version of this article featured a headline that referred to Sangay as the "exiled Prime Minister," which may have given the false impression that he was sent into exile while serving in the position.

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The True Horrors Behind 7 Haunted Locations Around The World

With Halloween arriving, we have dug up the would-be ghosts of documented evil and bloodshed from the past.

Inside Poveglia Island's abandoned asylum

Laure Gautherin and Carl-Johan Karlsson

When Hallows Eve was first introduced as a Celtic festival some 2,000 years ago, bonfires and costumes were seen as a legitimate way to ward off ghosts and evil spirits. Today of course, with science and logic being real ghostbusters, spine-chilling tales of haunted forests, abandoned asylums and deserted graveyards have rather become a way to add some mystery and suspense to our lives.

And yet there are still spooky places around the world that have something more than legend attached to them. From Spain to Uzbekistan and Australia, these locations prove that haunting lore is sometimes rooted in very real, and often terrible events.

Shahr-e Gholghola, City of Screams - Afghanistan

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The ruins of Shahr-e Gholghola, the City of Screams, in Afghanistan

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According to locals, ghosts from this ancient royal citadel located in the Valley of Bamyan, 150 miles northwest of Kabul, have been screaming for 800 years. You can hear them from miles away, at twilight, when they relive their massacre.

In the spring 1221, the fortress built by Buddhist Ghorids in the 6th century became the theater of the final battle between Jalal ad-Din Mingburnu, last ruler of the Khwarezmian Empire, and the Mongol Horde led by Genghis Khan. It is said that Khan's beloved grandson, Mutakhan, had been killed on his mission to sack Bamyan. To avenge him, the Mongol leader went himself and ordered to kill every living creature in the city, children included.

The ruins today bear the name of Shahr-e Gholghola, meaning City of Screams or City of Sorrows. The archeological site, rich in Afghan history, is open to the public and though its remaining walls stay quiet during the day, locals say that the night brings the echoes of fear and agony. Others claim the place comes back to life eight centuries ago, and one can hear the bustle of the city and people calling each other.

Gettysburg, Civil War battlefield - U.S.

photo of rocks and trees in Gettysburg

View of the battlefields from Little Round Top, Gettysburg, PA, USA


Even ghosts non-believers agree there is something eerie about Gettysbury. The city in the state of Pennsylvania is now one of the most popular destinations in the U.S. for spirits and paranormal activities sight-seeing; and many visitors report they witness exactly what they came for: sounds of drums and gunshots, spooky encounters and camera malfunctions in one specific spot… just to name a few!

The Battle of Gettysburg, for which President Abraham Lincoln wrote his best known public address, is considered a turning point in the Civil War that led to the Union's victory. It lasted three days, from July 1st to July 3rd, 1863, but it accounts for the worst casualties of the entire conflict, with 23,000 on the Union side (3,100 men killed) and 28,000 for the Confederates (including 3,900 deaths). Thousands of soldiers were buried on the battlefield in mass graves - without proper rites, legend says - before being relocated to the National Military Park Cemetery for the Unionists.

Since then, legend has it, their restless souls wander, unaware the war has ended. You can find them everywhere, on the battlefield or in the town's preserved Inns and hotels turned into field hospitals back then.

Belchite, Civil War massacre - Spain

photo of sunset of old Belchite

Old Belchite, Spain

Belchite Town Council

Shy lost souls wandering and briefly appearing in front of visitors, unexplainable forces attracting some to specific places of the town, recorded noises of planes, gunshots and bombs, like forever echoes of a drama which left an open wound in Spanish history…

That wound, still unhealed, is the Spanish Civil War; and at its height in 1937, Belchite village, located in the Zaragoza Province in the northeast of Spain, represented a strategic objective of the Republican forces to take over the nearby capital city of Zaragoza.

Instead of being a simple step in their operation, it became the field of an intense battle opposing the loyalist army and that of General Francisco Franco's. Between August 24 and September 6, more than 5,000 people were killed, including half of Belchite's population. The town was left in rubble. As a way to illustrate the Republicans' violence, Franco decided to leave the old town in ruins and build a new Belchite nearby. All the survivors were relocated there, but they had to wait 15 years for it to be complete.

If nothing particular happens in new Belchite, home to around 1,500 residents, the remains of old Belchite offer their share of chilling ghost stories. Some visitors say they felt a presence, someone watching them, sudden change of temperatures and strange sounds. The ruins of the old village have been used as a film set for Terry Gilliam's The Adventures of Baron Munchausen - with the crew reporting the apparition of two women dressed in period costumes - and Guillermo del Toro's Pan's Labyrinth. And in October 1986, members of the television program "Cuarta Dimensión" (the 4th dimension) spent a night in Belchite and came back with some spooky recordings of war sounds.

Gur Emir, a conquerer’s mausoleum - Uzbekistan

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Gur Emir (Tomb of Timur) in Samarkand, Uzbekistan

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The news echoed through the streets and bazaars of Samarkand: "The Russian expedition will open the tomb of Tamerlane the Great. It will be our curse!" It was June 1941, and a small team of Soviet researchers began excavations in the Gur-Emir mausoleum in southeastern Uzbekistan.

The aim was to prove that the remains in the tomb did in fact belong to Tamerlane — the infamous 14th-century conqueror and first ruler of the Timurid dynasty who some historians say massacred 1% of the world's population in 1360.

Still, on June 20, despite protests from local residents and Muslim clergy, Tamerlame's tomb was cracked open — marked with the inscription: "When I Rise From the Dead, The World Shall Tremble."

Only two days later, Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union, with the people of Samarkand linking it to the disturbing of Tamerlane's peace. Amid local protests, the excavation was immediately wrapped up and the remains of the Turkish/Mongol conqueror were sent to Moscow. The turning point in the war came with the victory in the Battle of Stalingrad — only a month after a superstitious Stalin ordered the return of Tamerlane's remains to Samarkand where the former emperor was re-buried with full honors.

Gamla Stan, a royal massacre - Sweden

a photo of The red house of Gamla Stan, Stockholm, Sweden

The red house of Gamla Stan, Stockholm, Sweden


After Danish King Kristian II successfully invaded Sweden and was anointed King in November 1520, the new ruler called Swedish leaders to join for festivities at the royal palace in Stockholm. At dusk, after three days of wine, beer and spectacles, Danish soldiers carrying lanterns and torches entered the great hall and imprisoned the gathered nobles who were considered potential opponents of the Danish king. In the days that followed, 92 people were swiftly sentenced to death, and either hanged or beheaded on Stortorget, the main square in Gamla Stan (Old Town).

Until this day, the Stockholm Bloodbath is considered one of the most brutal events in Scandinavian history, and some people have reported visions of blood flowing across the cobblestoned square in early November. A little over a century later, a red house on the square was rebuilt as a monument for the executed — fitted with 92 white stones for each slain man. Legend has it that should one of the stones be removed, the ghost of the represented will rise from the dead and haunt the streets of Stockholm for all eternity.

Port Arthur, gruesome prison - Australia

a photo of ort Arthur Prison Settlement, Tasmania, Australia

Port Arthur Prison Settlement, Tasmania, Australia

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During its 47-year history as a penal settlement, Port Arthur in southern Tasmania earned a reputation as one of the most notorious prisons in the British Empire. The institution — known for a brutal slavery system and punishment of the most hardened criminals sent from the motherland— claimed the lives of more than 1,000 inmates until its closure in 1877.

Since then, documented stories have spanned the paranormal gamut: poltergeist prisoners terrorizing visitors, weeping children roaming the port and tourists running into a weeping 'lady in blue' (apparently the spirit of a woman who died in childbirth). The museum even has an 'incidence form' ready for anyone wanting to report an otherworldly event.

Poveglia Island, plague victims - Italy

a photo of Poveglia Island, Italy

Poveglia Island, Italy

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Located off the coast of Venice and Lido, Poveglia sadly reunites all the classical elements of a horror movie: plagues, mass burial ground and mental institute (from the 1920's).

During the bubonic plague and other subsequent pandemics, the island served as a quarantine station for the sick and anyone showing any signs of what could be Black Death contamination. Some 160,000 victims are thought to have died there and the seven acres of land became a mass burial ground so full that it is said that human ash makes up more than 50% of Poveglia's soil.

In 1922 a retirement home for the elderly — used as a clandestine mental institution— opened on the island and with it a fair amount of rumors involving torture of patients. The hospital and consequently the whole island was closed in 1968, leaving all the dead trapped off-land.

Poveglia's terrifying past earned it the nickname of 'Island of Ghosts'. Despite being strictly off-limits to visitors, the site has been attracting paranormal activity hunters looking for the apparition of lost and angry souls. The island would be so evil that some locals say that when an evil person dies, he wakes up in Poveglia, another kind of hell.

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